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2:03:06 Transcript
hey everybody welcome to episode 9 of the expensive group on your host Craig Ainsley and I'll do some some housekeeping here at the top of the hour so if you'd like to donate you'll be logging in through stream labs and you'll log in using your YouTube account at the top right corner thank you to everybody who has donated thank you especially again I'm obliged to thank them every week Kaiser Korea's for making this happen essentially is definitely the most valuable player really great episode this week we have Syrian girl on with us who is a very very well-known youtuber and social media commentator she goes by partisan girl on Twitter on YouTube she is Syrian girl partisan she's a Syrian Patriot she's a Sunni Muslim from Damascus and she has a very always a very ruthless and honest take on the very depressing Affairs that continue to unfold in the Middle East her her Wikipedia bio I'm not gonna I'm not gonna quote from it too much but it's it's so hilarious so hilariously awful that that I had to look at some of it she's a contributor to the conspiracy theory and fake news website Infowars she's appeared on podcast hosted by the former head of the Ku Klux Klan David Duke Mimi how could you oh but also welcome and thank you for joining us thank you yeah sure thanks thanks for coming and of course every week we're joined by by Richard Spencer Richard how are you doing I am doing well I was just able to get to this live stream at the last minute to do parenting duties but I am here ready to go great well you know kind of show notes or an agenda for this week was was pretty easy because you know we're fortunate to have to have Mimi to have a partisan girl Syrian on and so I think we want to talk about things that arise from her focused in her er areas of expertise so you know she obviously knows what those are what those are but Mimi why don't you why don't you just kind of introduce yourself and you know talk a little bit about your backgrounds and your outlook and what you think that people who may not have heard of you or seen your work before what what they should know about you well thanks guys for having me on I'm always open to talking whoever asks me and sometimes it's someone as bad as the mainstream media but nobody complains when I accept introduce from them so basically I'm from Syria I was born in Damascus I come from a Sunni family although you could say that were you know very very liberal it's a new family in the religious sense I believe in individual right of religion that's a personal thing and I so in the Arab Spring not only a basically an attempt by the Zionists powers and hegemony to overthrow governments that oppose Israel but also governments that are secular in order to install these Sharia law type Pro Saudi Arabia regimes and so I came out against the Arab Spring and that's how I became public however before that I was an activist in day to day life anonymously basically not on the internet opposing the Iraq war and a bunch of other wars so that's my short story but so let's let's delve into this cuz I I think I think it might be good to get the big picture first a little bit but so did you witness the Arab Spring or or had you already after the region of course my family emigrated to Australia when I was seven years old so it was alone or the war began but I was in Syria like living there with my family briefly a little left in 2010 and then in 2011 the problems begun right and what I you said something that's fascinating and that I think is also counterintuitive at least to at least to the mainstream audiences and and that is this move towards hyper-religious lunatics basically in charge of governments as opposed to more secular liberals and you could put Assad in that category as a kind of Western leaning leader of Syria without question and you know the way that I've grown up on this stuff and I certainly opposed the Iraq war as well that actually I think the Iraq war might have led me to where I am today in the sense of my opposition to mainstream conservatism and my my that need that internal need to do something and to say something but you know in in in that period what we were told is that the United States and Israel it's great ally they're they're trying to bring liberalism to these backwater primitive tribes and soon we're gonna help all women go to college and they'll be voting and democratically in no time and and when some people on the right would criticize that and basically say well this is never gonna work this kind of thing only works in Europe in America this is naive but I actually think you're taking it to another level which is that what we're actually seeing is not the propaganda line that America and Israel are and Saudi Arabia are secularizing regimes but actually that that the United States and Israel are very eager to work with hyper-religious in it uncivilized people I think maybe most of your viewers already knew this probably preaching to the converted but it's very obvious that you know since maybe looking back all the way back to the 80s when the us-supported Mujahideen in Afghanistan and some bin Laden was interviewed by Robert Fisk and hailed as the hero The Liberator and you know then the Taliban was put to power the Iraq war Saddam was a secular leader and then he installed now the Dawa party which is a Shiite government and of course the Christians in Iraq didn't fare very well because they were treated as Saddam supporters and so a lot of them left the country not only because of the violence because of targeted attacks not just by the government that the Americans installed but also Saudi Arabia which was trying to create al Qaeda and Isis in Iraq which is really all part of the plan oh did you know it's none written by Israel in 1982 to divide the Middle East undersecretary in an ethnos state lines with the creation of Kurdistan and I do want to get into critici-- as well because I feel like everybody really sees now because maybe Libya going to Libya they had the rise of these extremist Islamist groups that took over the country and now the war is still going up until this point and you know you had Egypt which everybody forgets about but of course in 2011 during the 2010 thousand eleven trillion Gyptian revolution this Muslim Brotherhood came into power it was a counter-revolution but I got it was this Muslim Drive in the arab spring finally comes to Syria and now you have al Qaeda being Edlin is the biggest a kind of hot spot in the world in Italy in Syria and the u.s. is trying to protect that and you can hear in all the politicians mouths begging trunk to stop Syria from going in and getting al Qaeda out is lip and I believe there's a lot of reasons for this I think part of it is the need to wipe out Middle Eastern Christianity it's just more convenient that way propaganda was to make people forget the such things exist especially for Israel because it's been wiping out Palestinian Christians since you know its inception by burning Christian villages in 1948 and in 1952 on Christmas Day it's really been this push to get Christians out and I think Israel because it's a Jewish it needs like an antithesis to its existence it needs to say oh look this Islamic states - and this Christian state over there in Lebanon we're not alien to this place it's already divided on the religious lines and also a lot of the same propaganda here is you know amongst all of these Islamic states why can't we have a Jewish state when in as a matter of fact you know Syria and Iraq are not Islamic states there are ocular states with multitude of religions that have been existing since the beginning of Abrahamic religions so yeah the the bath party I believe was founded by Christians was it not in it and it was it is a secular you could say kind of fascist regime I don't really say dice I mean I forget that I'm not it's yeah it's it's not exactly Marik and global homo but it is yeah thorat Aryan but those secular regime that actually has roots and Christianity and again these were the regime's that we are attacking we're not attacking Saudi Arabia we we view Saudi Arabia's and Ally Trump goes and puts his hand on a magic globe with other 70 princes and so on and it's just it's it's quite bizarre that these again the the more civilized the regime the more that it's demeaned do you think do you think that this is a conscious strategy on the part of maybe not all and not not everyone in Israel because I certainly know whenever I read up on these Israeli elections there there are clearly people on the Left opposing the bivi Netanyahu line of being being pro America pro Saudi war mongering but is is this a conscious strategy somewhere in Washington DC or Jerusalem or Tel Aviv where they it's a kind of chaos strategy because you know looking at it from my standpoint and I'm sure I speak for Craig here as well if if I were a foreign policy maker in Israel and I recognize that we we have us we're in a prin a somewhat precarious situation that there is a lot of historical resentment towards Jews and the foundation of the Jewish state etc I would try to seek stability and I would actually I would not be promoting any kind of war in the region and I would see these religious theocratic nutjob States as as a as an enemy as something that I would want to prevent from arising but again I'm not making foreign policy in Israel so it do you think there's a there's a kind of chaos strategy where Washington and Israel almost thrive on the insanity that that's ever-present in the Middle East and I came to the conclusion that the premise is wrong because Israel does not want peace I mean if the premise is that it wants peace then of course it's gonna try to get secular leaders and become maybe secular itself and but as a matter of fact it doesn't want peace with Egypt what they had there under the Mubarak government before the Muslim Brotherhood uprising was an alliance they had friendly friendly relations with Egypt so why try to get the u.s. supporting Muslim Brotherhood why try to stir the pot and I believe it's because that piece that Israel has with Egypt is a piece that Israel always intended to eventually break because they want to control this you know I desert because in their book it says everything from the Nile to the Euphrates belongs to them and first Prime Minister of Israel Ben Gurion that that for future generations we have to fight for everything from the Nile to the Euphrates of course that includes everything up to the Euphrates which means the entire Syrian population has to go and get that nuclear cleansed and of course it's no coincidence that the u.s. is in the east of the Euphrates even though the population of Kurds are not concentrated in that location the Khan the Kurds in Syria are actually a northern strip that is not contiguous it's kind of got pockets on the north it's got nothing to do with the East oil-rich area that majority in that area is not Kurdish they're like 35 40 percent of that region the rest are Arabs Turkmen and Assyrian Christians which are completely forgotten about by the media so it basically is to me not only about the oil but also about you know making this not come true and the reason why it's obviously not a coincidence or an accident or just several mistakes that they keep making I mean nobody could be so stupid as to continue to make the same mistake without learning from me it's because in their think tanks they produce documents and papers that are outlining the strategy all along I mean in the project for a new American Century where they had a map a map of the noodle is that they wanted to create they already had this Kurdistan this sunny region shai region and they had an Alawite state as well on the coast and that is one of the other reasons why they really needed al Qaeda because if they could get the Muslim Brotherhood or al-qaeda to take over Syria and just ethnically cleanse all of the minorities the making the minorities to close in on themselves and to create their own microstates and in that way would cut Syria off from the coastline because a lot of other words construed on the coast so the multi-faceted strategy is to why this is important but it's definitely an essential yeah it certainly Craig jump in here I have a couple more things I want to dig in on this because I think getting at the deep strategy is really important because when you understand that then you unlock the puzzle and and and you start you can you can actually see what's happening and understand it but this idea you know one of the other things is that a secular regime that is maybe a bit on the authoritarian side etc can be a real threat in the sense that it is powerful it can actually have a corporate identity the state that is above say ethnic or ethno-religious squabbling and so that perhaps Israel views a leader like Saddam or or or Assad as a greater threat because he can he can use the power of the modern state whereas if you have Kurdistan and Sunni and Shia murdering each other left and right etc you might have these little micro states but you know again they're they're these little these little statelets like that they're not going to be able to command an army they're not going to be able to project power they're they're not gonna be able to deal with other states and international relations and and so there's there is just this idea of chaos is better and I find this insane I would never in my own wife I've actually had a lot of chaos recently and I've I now that I've been able to kind of settle things down I feel so much better but again I am not the type of person who is making foreign policy in Israel and for them the more you know the more drama the better just the more insane and bloody it gets the better and I again that is not how I would ever view the world but I I think there is something to it there's one thing on this I remember there was a book on the Neo conservatives that I read and they they had this it was I was by hyal burn they had this anecdote about some neo cons who were planning a conference and the they were planning a conference a year and a half in advance and so they were asking show their Oh what should we title these speeches or something they said well the keynote speech should be the crisis in the Middle East and and then one of them asked the other neocon Oh which crisis and they're like oh I don't know but there's gonna be one this we we kind of we almost like to let you know laughs like oh oh of course they're it's it's crazy in the Middle East but it need not be that way like there there actually is policy and strategy that is generating this kind of chaos and I would say one could extend that to the Palestinian question which I'd like you to talk about a little bit but I think most people are I would say that most people even most Americans I would even say most Republicans support a two-state solution where the Palestinians would have a state Israel would remain a Jewish state there would be problems but that seems to be better there are some people on the left and maybe on the right too who actually want a one-state solution that would include Palestinians and would actually seriously question israel's identity as a Jewish state and and there are other neocon jihadi anti jihadi types or faith golde or whatever when a one-state solution of Israel they're basically just dominating Palestinians forever apparently and though they'll never be part of it I certainly myself I would support a two-state solution I think that's the most sensible thing but I I think in a way if we extend that that chaos theory metaphor perhaps Israel never once there to be a solution they they just they they can afford this occupation they get billions from the u.s. there are productive economy any way they can afford this occupation they don't want to ever answer this question they just want to endlessly laya and they think they can endlessly delay it for another three or four decades I agree completely that that's what they want I'd liked I want to answer your question but I just wanted to answer that step a little bit back to the chaos question because you know I don't know if you know or your viewers know about the original plan which was a plan written by a really military of Schiller think tank that described how in the next 20 years the Middle East is going to be divided and it's basically a divide and conquer strategy which is what we've been no and I think you know if you want chaos around you Israel if it can have its enemies fighting each other then of course it's better for itself but also I believe if you you know if you want chaos take consider Isis for example I assist wanted to fight as many nations as possible because there was a prophecy that near the end of times Islam will be fought by a specific number of Nations I think with 70 to 74 because at the end of the day Isis is amazing apocalyptic cult that wanted to create a state in Syria and that state that they wanted to create was composed of foreigners from all over the world who either converted to Islam or you know we're from Saudi Arabia etcetera that just converged on Syria and tried to occupy its nun and Israel is exactly the same thing it's amazing an occult they believe they're gunning for the Messiah they want to build their temple and in order to get this Messiah to come a few things have to happen probably including taking over everything from the Nile to the Euphrates once that Messiah comes they believe they're gonna have dominion over us and everyone being slaved and that is and they are foreigners from all over the world who are extremely religious and who came once again to Syria because they occupy the Golan Heights and the greater the Mount which includes Palestine and basically are just taking over a lot so for a Syrian what we see is realized is a second Isis oh and of course kurdistan's another Israel and we'll get to that later but because it's the second Isis it is the UH the antithesis to us it's like the existential crisis we cannot exist while there is in Israel so for absolutely sure I support a one state secular solution and in fact the two-state solution is no longer even possible because you know Netanyahu just announced like last month I think that next Jamie intends to next to us back which is where the majority of Palestinians live and of course they want it to be like it's still a Jewish state that's why I mean enacted the Jewish nation state goal and they want to basically ethnically cleanse the people who are there first no matter what they say about them being their first 2,000 years ago or something and I don't know you do it your viewers might not agree but not only Jews are not the Palestinian and Syrian Jews have always been there of course Jewish Judaism came out of that region but used from India for example or Jews from Ethiopia or Yemen or Morocco or Poland or Russia they have no history in that region and it's demonstrated by their cultural differences I guess what I'm trying to say is Israel is not a nation-state because to be honest Jews are not a race they're not they're not an ethnicity really they are many many races they're just to religion some of them are Ashkenazi Ashkenazi may be an ethnicity but it can be an ethnicity that isn't necessarily a Jewish one they are Christian asked cannot see if there's people who are Christian all their life and they do a DNA testing they come up with Ashkenazi so it's ethnicity that's not necessarily connected to Judaism and of course there's Jews that are definitely zero percent Ashkenazi so to say that it's a race is not based on science and to say that you know just under morality you know in this this is the current here I guess the mean is and/or we're seeing a genocide right before our eyes people have been abandoned and people are just cheering it on because of the propaganda and you know the thing is that they do thrive on chaos because at the end of the day if they didn't have an outside enemy they would not be able to have a cohesive country because even my own professor who was very neutral on his joy went to visit Israel and returned and said what did I understood from that country everybody hates each other like they have they are not one cohesive society we German Jews hate the Russian Jews hate the Arab Jews hate you know the Moroccans so they need an outside enemy to remain cohesive and at the same time you know if they didn't have Syria wasn't their enemy for example what then would they have an excuse to remain a Jewish state and not become one secular state with being citizens as well I mean it would be really strange to be friends with a secular state right next door while you're killing people for their ethnicity right right I think you're getting it some interesting concepts around Jewish identity and Israeli identity and I I I would say that one probably could trace some a Jewish line that leads back to the Torah but I think you are right absolutely and the sense that the Jews as a race take on the characteristics of their host nation so they are a there is I think there's a bit of a myth than the alt-right about pure jews or something like that and that that is really incorrect they are maybe the least pure and in a way they need that they need a concept of their own oppression and their own lachrymose history and then they need anti-semitism in a way in order to congeal there has to be that yin and yang you could say in order for their their identity to make sense and and you're also correct you know within Israel they're obviously different by dividing lines they kind of all hate each other although I guess that's not too uncommon with every country basically but but I think your your general point is is absolutely correct so you think that the only way forward now because of this likely coming annexation of the West Bank that the only way forward is for there to be a a state that might be called Israel it might be called something else but that would include the Palestinian people with rights and that it would have a secular identity above that just just because we were past the point where a two-state solution is possible that that's an interesting I think any person on the left that would deny that are acting as gatekeepers and I guess on the right they would probably support he wants the exhibition because they don't believe Palestinians or they deny the existence of like ethnicity of the Levantine people so someone who is Syrian and as you know I'm sure you've heard of the SNP which is separate from the Baath Party it's a different I don't know have you heard of it it's a Syrian national socialist Nationalist Party their view of it is that the Syrian people can be one it's called banana sham which in Arabic means the land of the north's because for the Arabs Syria is the land of the north and of course for Europe is the Near East so right you know that's that the Levant is basically has a very long shared history we all spoke Aramaic at one point you know we have similar culture and language wise were pretty much the same way I mean I can only understand Syrians Lebanese and Palestinians I struggle a lot to understand Iraq he's an Egyptian because the accent is just so different but our history is very linked so the idea is that the entire we to be part of the greater Syria and of course that's what I would hope for but that would be a very long way off but if if something internally happens within Israel that changes its idea and it becomes a secular state then perhaps that dream of a greater Syria would be much closer to be realized because then the opportunity to federalize Palestine Lebanon and Syria would present itself you can call it is really cool whatever you want but it wouldn't be a Jewish only state it would be a state for the people that live on that land all right so that is either that happens through an uprising within or it happens with an external push and the only push that could be possible is with Syria and its allies which is gonna know where we yeah you know it's it's interesting to think about whether Jewish nationalism can really ever be stable or ever ever exist if you look in into the history of the Jewish people when they have revolted against empires say revolting against the Roman Empire they will unlikely get crushed and it is actually when they are in a host Empire that they have achieved their greatest success the Ottoman Empire being an excellent example of that I would just say America they post Titan 45 America they've achieved remarkable success no one can deny that and so they they seem to I know there's a kind of dual consciousness as you know in the sense of being most successful as a as a people within another Empire I hesitate to use the word parasite because that that obviously is a loaded term but it need not be met loaded I'm using it neutrally there there are parasites in nature that actually serve purposes and so on but they exist as a parasite on greater empires and that's where they're successful when they've attempted this Messianic Judaism they have very often and absolutely crushed again we're not dealing with Romans who you know won't abide that kind of stuff and we'll just snuff it out well you know we're dealing with this American Empire which has become extremely Pro scientists although that seems to be waning but yeah I think there's a there's a kind of deeper deeper question of whether a Jewish nationalism can ever be stable and it and whether it will just always need chaos I I wanted to ask another question and that is its its two-pronged and it involves the the anti jihadi movement and in the West and also the the refugees so um the way I see it I I have always been very critical of the anti jihadi movement and I've never really been a part of it even if I might agree with them on on some things because it is a kind of right-wing quasi traditionalist Christian group but I've always been very skeptical of them and these the anti jihadi movement it seems a way to to trick Americans and Europeans into being obsessed really with Muslims in the Middle East and to see Israel as not even our ally there they're worth it's it's there they're fighting our fight for were armed I guess a lie we're arm and arm fighting the Muslims and you know we're one in a way like the West I think you're right to suggest a sort of super Ally relationship where yeah once once in a while you see new data news items that quickly disappear but it'll be about a general who an American general who will say something that is you know strictly speaking treason it basically equates Israel with the United States and that you know it doesn't blur the line but basically a race is the line between Israel and in the US and you know puts kind of puts the puts Israel sort of above the US right even someone has seemingly non militant as Nancy Pelosi of all people actually declared that you know America could burn down and be ash but at least Israel earth would survive I was just watching this I'm like I can't believe such words would come out of anyone's mouth it's just you know a bizarre particularly this you know eighty year old fancy lady from San Francisco saying these things but yeah so I I'm I'm skeptic I've always been skeptical the auntie jihadi movement even though I might agree with them on some level but then there's also I I've seen various reports of Israel not only offering succor baby ously to Isis but also Israeli groups actually offering help to refugees and so the way I see it there's a kind of you know action and response built in you know system where you you have these these bad things that are bad and that are are clearly gonna create an emotional response and angst like the the refugees etc and are and then we have this kind of built in answer which is you have to really hate Muslims the Quran is that is the problem these Palestinians need to be wiped off the face of the map and so it's like they're in a brilliant way they're using very natural understandable angst and nationalist emotions and they're twisting them into supporting Israel and the Middle East and just and again engaging in an endless war against Muslims in that region it's really interesting to witness this drive of you know Israel and this media pushed by a lot of luck for exact as relevant who runs the rebel media you know their main focus or BB part which was actually in Creed in Jerusalem is to look at these Muslims look at how disgusting and behaving which let's face it a lot of them have been I mean like Syria I said either Muslim myself and I I still identify as Muslim and is Muslims fighting Isis and al-qaeda in Syria but did we get any help from like Muslims outside of Syria or have they been seeing us as you know those heathens that are killing all the Muslims you know Muslims the problem is like any group like the Jewish groups as well they see cause anything what which side are Muslims on and then what he just you know the same thing happened in Yugoslavia you know when Muslims for once in their life supported nato bombardment so I know it was once in their life back then but actually maybe Afghanistan's well you know it's it's what they see is on their side of course with al-qaeda and Isis becoming more and more disgusting people the game began to try to distance themselves to some extent I don't think that the problem though is it's not because what else every old book has a lot of things in it that could be you know for example the Old Testament is where stoning gaze comes from it doesn't come from the Quran for example you know it can be taken you could take it or leave it or you can interpret it in a different way I think that the the problem is that more so that who is funding these groups and it's obviously it's been the United States that's funding these groups and who is controlling the United States well you have well let's talk about a pack let's talk about the Zionist lobby because now we're allowed to so who are or are we and when you talk about you know this push towards Doug and says you it's reminds me of eleven with the dancing Israelis how when they were arrested the first thing that they said is we're not your problem the Palestinians are your problem and that is to get you know Americans to just go along with whatever war Israel is fighting in the meantime as you said they were giving arms to al-qaeda in the Syria in Syria's Golan Heights they were giving them a salary they were treating their wounded this photos of Israeli soldiers anging out with al-qaeda on the Internet you can google it and find it the Israeli politicians and their military said and I wrote a really long tweet thread about this said that you know they would rather have Isis win than Iran in Syria and the head of the X head of Mossad announcer - why's he helping al Qaeda says al Qaeda's never attacked Israel and it's not our problem if they attacked our greatest ally you know the US which wasn't in an interview with Al Jazeera so this is all out in the open but nobody ever talks about it Trump never reads the whisper of it and I think point of the matter is the event Galica Christians in the u.s. have made this unholy alliance with Zion ISM and they themselves are maybe even more hardcore Zionist some Jews and it's completely against Orthodox Christianity because Orthodox Christianity has always had history of alliance in the Levant especially with Muslims and it was actually a covenant amongst Orthodox Christianity and Islam I'm not talking about the ISIS version of it so there is there is that but if you notice if you notice in the media amongst left-wing liberal Jews they're cultivating an alliance as well with Muslim immigrants as yourself and that is because they see Muslims in the West as natural allies against the you know the anyone that would try to discriminate against them it's like a shield example if anyone says that maybe we should have introduced laws that will end circumcision for babies someone will come out and say no that will deny the right of Muslims their their their religious duty but it is of course it's also protecting another religion and what they want to do so it's a shield like that maybe you know some groups perhaps they they're sick of having Christmas being pushed onto them and they'll take down Christmas trees and say oh no we have to be sensitive to the minorities or Muslims when in reality it's not Muslims that are opposing Christmas because some Muslims do celebrate Christmas but perhaps another religion or another group are using that as a shield and that was interesting when not read on burned down there was an article 34 last thing where I also tried to use Muslims as a shield in an attempt to get much you down to be built in a modern way it takes into account the fact that France now 5% Muslim I think that someone else has a problem with not read on because of anti-semitism and now they're using Islam as a means to keep it down so that's that's my I I think you're absolutely correct again it's a brilliant multi-layered strategy that that is in some ways foreign to people like us where we like to say what we mean and mean what we say and do things directly and so on whereas Jews again their their long-term strategy has not been like that it's not been as this Jewish state confronting other groups it's it's been within other groups and basically using manipulation and subterfuge and multi-layered thinking so they're there in a way kind of deeper than we are I'll say this I've been hogging the mic so I want to give it to Craig for a little bit and we can we can hit some super chats but I would just say this good ok real quick throughout my adult lifetime being on the right you know for whatever that might mean I have seen so much enthusiasm for these basically Zionist European nationalist and this Girt builders is an excellent example pretty much every ethno Nationalist Party that's maybe God in five percent or 15 percent in in parliament everyone gets excited is hyper Pro Zionism they want to talk about the dangers of Islam endlessly and I get it to some extent and you can even see this with figures like Milo or Trump who is you know far more Zionist than than any president we've had ever and I I just think that for the right to be authentic and real for there to be a real European right for in Europe and for Americans and Australia we we need to get over this anti jihadi stuff I don't we can if we continue down this line and we don't talk about the real issues that we care about and we said just deconstruct the Quran or focus on some bombing a rocket attack in in the West Bank or something we're never going to be an authentic right we need to get beyond this false dialectic of Islam is bad therefore I love Israel yes absolutely and I knew a very hardcore nationĂs that said you know there's only one step from I hate Muslims to let for me rock which is exactly you know how it was sold and who is the ones that are who are the ones are being killed the most by these Islamic terrorists it's other Muslims it's the people that are fighting al-qaeda and Isis on the ground like the Syrian army like civilians in you know some any name any Middle Eastern country but of course who gets all the ire as well it's it's it's the people who are victims of this u.s. post but I will defer to Krebs and see what you want to do him speak but I hope that we can get to talking about the Golan and the US occupation as well oh definitely I'll let Craig take it take over a little bit but I'm really glad we talked through this because we got it the big picture and and I think that's important before we look at the little picture so Vuitton yeah well I mean there are some prompts that I could jump in on but it's not really necessary I just like to keep the discussion you know largely between you two going but why don't we just check and see if we have some super chats and then and then go from there okay we do and there's some interesting ones because I I glanced at them so Henry the 8th for $10 thank you for the donation Syrian girl do you agree with white nationalist and that non European Muslims should go back to their countries you know let's and and let me since that actually is one of the prompts that I wanted to ask about you know Richard you just talked about about you know some people like geert wilders a lot of these European nationalist parties and I'm kind of curious how how Mimi evaluates you know these parties and we know we have we have another kind of surge occurring right now along these lines in Denmark I don't know enough about those people even to say where they line up and in terms of Zionism but yeah so you know white nationalist parties and European nationalist parties in Europe how do you evaluate them how do you decide whether to take them seriously as opposed you know just to parties that will arrive at a Zionists mentality if they haven't gotten there already and just kind of engage in sort of jingoistic rhetoric against against Muslims you know just more broadly I'm wondering like you talked about natural allies for the the left and the Zionists right I mean who who are your allies who are out who are our allies and how do we how do we move forward with something that potentially can kind of challenge this this madness thank you well it's very I my opinion on it it's multifaceted and it's not completely composed yet however I if you give me but this I'll try to answer this question so obviously as an immigrant I have my own personal view on it I don't actually see immigration as a great thing because it took me away from my extended family I would have liked to have spent more time with my cousins my grandparents my aunts and uncles before and the fact that now because of the war most of my family members have basically dispersed across the globe now there's even less chance of me going to one place and meeting them all now that basically everybody's been like thrown like petals in the wind so in terms of as an immigrant immigration hasn't been a great thing and I was made an immigrant as a child so it's not like I really had a choice in the matter but I was you know now now I would like to be able to go back but because I've been so removed from that there is the difficulty I mean I intention is to return however of course the war has made it more difficult than it already is for an immigrant who's been so removed from their roots basically and I think that these wars are are approaching people I mean if you talk to Palestinians they will say call themself uprooted Palestinians because it's like they're now in an unnatural place they're being forced to be refugees and I find it interesting that a lot of these pro-israel right-wing groups want Palestinians to remain in the West they want them to stay as refugees because they oppose the right of return and I think that the right of refugees should be maintained and I find interesting in that question you know when it comes to okay before I get to dots because it's another a whole other kind of worms but I feel that the focus on the left of being refugees is this ingenious because a lot of the time they don't talk about the cause of the refugees and it's not just the wars it's also the economic basically mafia-like actions are happening in sub-saharan Africa like the French government are still making them pay taxes colonial taxes in some states now Africa itself needs like time to stand up on its feet but we don't need to make it any more difficult than it already is at this point so and what you know why do they want this why do they want to create Wars and chaos and divisions and and diamond mines and you know all of the scales in both the Middle East and Africa and parts of Asia perhaps they need cheap labor perhaps because borders get in the way of taxes and tariffs and they would rather have the globalization where everything is the same and everywhere has the same restaurants and there's no culture and there's no nationhood it were because that's the end the game the end game is no nation-states and I think that nation-states you know they still have a lot of merit right now so why throw the baby out with the bathwater I think that I there are ardent Italian movements in Europe I do get it but at the same time you see a lot of these movements that are basing their entire premise on I hate Muslims without any cause and effect of wired God why is the government opening these borders like why why is the policy of multiculturalism why where's the political why are these working for a lot of people don't even get to that point and their focus is we don't want these Muslims which is what I find interesting about your question because it was non European Muslims because there are European Muslims I mean the number of Muslims that are over European background in Europe are far greater than the number of Muslim immigrants at this point so obviously you can't get rid of all Muslims from Europe unless you wanna you know ethnically a lot of the Balkans and Macedonia Russia parts of Russia which is you know obviously a lot of if you tell people that some of them probably be proved this even though these people are like ethnically European and the other question is does that mean that why focus on Muslim immigration what about Christian immigration you know is that if someone is a Christian from the Middle East Asia or Africa are they okay to immigrate then because no Africa is 50% I believe Christian um especially sub-saharan Africa so is are they okay with that is it a more religious thing that they don't like or is it a racial thing is this is not very clear on that however or is it a cultural thing however I do want to say as far as from a Middle Eastern perspective when I see Australia saying that or even when I see right-wingers and the Australian government saying that we will accept only Syrian Christians or mostly Syrian Christians the way I read that is we want to make sure that only Syrian Christians are ethnically cleansed from Syria we want to make sure that their population is diminished in Syria and by by helping them out by bringing them into the West especially causing a brain drain because Germany actually has fast-tracked Syrian doctors to get in without needing to be refugees because they need doctors they have not enough doctors in the country so to see it from a Middle Eastern lens it's also bad for the Middle East I mean there's no anyone who has a degree that's worth anything is gonna try to run no I doubt that and that's absolutely terrible for the region no question okay so I guess your answer to his super shy your answer has it's complicated but i i i i would say just you know you actually presented a kind of tragic view of your own immigration which I really appreciate which is that you know obviously you like aspects of the West you have friends here you you've become certainly more Western but at the same time you've cut off from your own roots and so there-there is a real tragedy to what's happened it's not yeah you know hunky-dory and she was mean if being an immigrant was so great well let's just keep immigrating let's emigrate all the time where are we going right let's let's try another country you know right exactly well Craig and I might have to do that actually pretty soon but for for other reasons because we're being oppressed in the West anyway okay let's move on to Thomas Eckert 420 Heil Syrian girl hail Spencer okay thank you you got a hail 499 I guess no username I fell in love with Syrian girl when I first saw her on Twitter denouncing circumcision truly the surest way to an all writers heart the girl is a keeper okay lots of nice things said here a quick question can she offer any insight into how Syrians self-identify in racial terms okay that's interesting so what is the how do Syrians I did I understand themselves racially and ethnically oh did we lose her I wonder if we did oh yeah looks like we did okay well that helps I'll keep yeah that happens I'll keep an eye on that and see if okay he is reaching out so to get back on but yeah great great discussion so far when she does get back on I know that she wants to hit in particular the issue of it live in the curl and Kurds and she wants to talk about you know the issue of statehood and the concept of stateless people which you know I think is interesting for for Europeans I mean this is a nation-state structure that is broadly operating in the interests of its people in Europe is something that you know that that we have obviously grown to take for granted far past the point where it's where it's relevant for us and I think it would be good that you know think about ways to remind our that you know the people around around us ordinary people around us that you know we can become and the much more literal sense stateless people even then we already already feel that we are so it looks like yeah it looks like Mimi's back okay no idea what happened alright yes probably Mossad but we won't theorize too much okay so the question was in brief how do Syrians identify racially and ethnically I'm sure I uh I guess sorry one moment please sir I just wanted to just mention that we're just finally on the immigration question I think in an ideal world people would emigrate to the place that they out of love if you love a culture if you love a land then you know in that rare case where you love a different land you would emigrate but to force people to immigrate because of war or you know economic reasons is not the ideal and it's interesting that a lot of people see those that immigrated to the west are suddenly transcending into humanity and that's something that the left always does you know like these this Muslim is a citizen you know so we should care more about them what identify as racially basically I think that as a scientist to me I don't see any racial difference between me and a Greek who lives like just across the road from Syria you know it's it's I've been to Greece and they look exactly the same it's me I've been to Italy and they look very similar to my people as well maybe especially in the south so I don't really see that this line this thin line that separates Europe from the Near East of course I do think that races do exist and there's ethnicities within those races but I guess I identify as a Mediterranean and obviously whatever white is I guess I've never thought of myself as separate from from other okay and white people right into the West and suddenly all this political stuff was imposed on that right well I would say that sometimes painting with a broader brushstroke actually is better in the sense that you know saying that you know I'm I'm a pure Bavarian or something well that's probably not true you know you you you you you you you don't have to go too far up the family tree to find an Italian your ancestry or a swamp urasue right and I think sometimes actually painting with a broader brush is actually better you as a Syrian you probably do have a lot in common maybe not religiously but culturally with Greeks or Italians and someone that there there is a kind of broader Mediterranean cultural race so to speak I think that's perfectly reasonable things say we eat the same moment so obviously we can have the same evolutionary pushes sure sure okay well what is what is an ethnic breakdown of of Syria what are some of the divisions and so uh Wow okay so this issue of Syria is up for debate because what it really using what people identify as it's not necessarily the same thing of course it's called the Syrian Arab Republic but Arab has become synonymous with people who identify with the language group rather than a race because you have Arabs from Sudan or and they are completely different race altogether they're they're not are up there they're black so obviously Arab has become not a race however there is an Arab race and it's concentrated among Saudi Arabians Yemenites United Arab Emirates basically the Gulf Syria has always been separated from the Gulf by swirls the amount of desert I mean the region of Syria is inhabited is hugging the Mediterranean coast so there's always been a separation between Syria and you know Yemen our lands because of that the same way that the Sahara Desert separates North Africa from sub-saharan Africa and the Mediterranean Sea separates North Africa from Europe so we've always had a separate separate language where we we have Aramaic we have separate culture we dress differently to them we eat differently we have different music so we are definitely ethnically different from that although we are still Middle Eastern and within Syria I guess the majority of people are part of that original Aramaic ethnic group but we have also Caucasians that come from the Caucasus of Russia we have Armenians that came because of the Armenian Genocide we have Greeks a lot of Muslim Greeks that were pushed out of Greece came to Syria and they have Greek restaurants there which I went to once it's so strange going to a Greek restaurant in Syria and we have I'm not mentioning the religions yet that's a whole nother but I'm just mentioning ethnicities and then we have the Kurds which are basically there we have to get to that what they're trying to create their own separate piece of land but a lot of them actually came to Syria as refugees from Turkey and are they are ethnically Iranian they're a Persian people in their language is Iranian they basically the nomads of Iran they were nomadic since still until World War one and they followed azar ghost mountains so we will get to to that but also there is the Assyrians Assyrians have a link to our mayor because there they speak Eastern Aramaic and but they are more so closer to North Iraq and this region of Syria that they're trying to codify and that is another ethnic group I'm sure I'm forgetting the Turkmens which are Turkic people that came from Turkey I mean this is there's a few ethnic groups not even mentioning the religious groups because that's a separate thing so I think that's if you want religions this there's Druze there's Christians this otherwise this Jews there's Muslims destiny this Shiites and actually Assad is an Alawite a xenon uh yeah religiously he's an Alawite I guess it was more in that I heard once that he converted I don't know that's true he's obviously not a very religious guy uh his wife is too neither okay interesting alright so why don't we talk about the Kurds since that was brought up Craig has some questions on that well no I just know that I know that Mimi wanted to talk about that so why don't we let her kind of address the Kurds you know it's very important from an American perspective and that's another thing I won't I won't insist upon it but if I do get an opportunity I'm gonna circle back to kind of these bigger regime policy questions to focus on the u.s. a little bit but you know in the lead up basically in the lead up to all of our invasions or or or involvement sat Iraq the Kurds featured very very strongly and and we were we were led to believe that these were these were the really fantastic people in the Middle East so you know if if Mimi has kind of a red pilled perspective on that I think we'd love to hear it thank you so much story guys to keep bringing back this topic because I feel that a lot of people already know that the rebel groups are al-qaeda that's pretty much already in the zeitgeist but nothing really about the Kurds has been discussed in a non mainstream way because Russia has its own reasons to support the curse so it's not on RT because they're doing it to get a turkey so you're only gonna get this perspective and from someone like me basically and maybe the Assyrian groups because the other ones are suffering the most from the Kurds okay so when I you know first started even in the Iraq war I was said this line that Kurds were robbed of a nation-state by the sykes-picot those guys who drew up the map of the middle least just left the Kurds out and they were victims and they've been victims ever since victims story very similar to the stateless Jews story the poorest people and it's interesting that I came to learn that that's that a whole narrative is completely bogus because the reason why they were not included in that is because the Kurds are an Iranian nomadic group that never built a civilization or a nation anywhere in history except of course taking into account the fact that they're from Persia so they were nomadic until World War one why because after World War one that was the Armenian Genocide and the Kurds actually participated in the Armenian Genocide along with the Turks and they had a sort of a unofficial deal which is written down in the books of history that by kicking out the Armenians they get to live in the houses of the Armenians there because that region that they're declaring Kurdistan the east of Turkey if you looked at the old maps that was our Armenia so there was a genocide against the Armenians which actually came to Syria running away from Turks and Kurds and at that time Turkey and the Kurds had no problem but after they okay Ararat Mountain Ararat Mountain in Turkey is what the Armenians see as they're the center of their land because that was the mountain where Noah the guy with the animals in the boat was supposed to have landed his ship after the whole water thing so I have nothing very good this religious stuff but yeah so for Christians because our meaning the Christian that is a very significant piece of land is part of their heritage but once the Army the Kurdish groups began to occupy the homes of the Armenians they started to write fake history the Ararat Mountain belongs to Kurdistan and that is when Turkey you decided well you know what we genocided the Armenians if you think you're gonna become separatist - then we were gonna fight you and then there was a attack by Turkey against the Kurds and what happened as a result waves and waves of them started to come into Syria and at the time the French occupation saw in the Kurds an opportunity because they they said that they could use them for farm labor this is over on Wikipedia by the way it's not even like they don't even hide it CNN BBC and Washington Post all admitted the fact that Kurds were nomadic BBC although changed that later - they were native to the land when I say that they're nomadic it means that they came from somewhere into four different countries they came from Iran into Iraq into turkey into Armenia into Syria the the civilizations that were already there included the Assyrians which they're trying the Kurds have the Armenian Genocide also was a genocide of the Assyrians and the Kurds have an Syrians which are Christian always have had animosity towards each other and now in the north of Iraq a lot of areas which were historically for 5,000 years part of the Assyrian civilization is being claimed by the Kurds and they're trying to change history claiming that Nimrod and all of these assyrian and babylonian artifacts were kurdish and the same thing is happening in syria like for example the city of kobani was actually called I in Lara but they changed it to kobani because there was a German railway company in 1920 which they worked for and it's built was like a railway and in German the name for railway is born so it became kobani and so this it's not like they had a long history in the area the word wrote Java that they keep saying or Java or java re' Java just means West it's not like they had a historical row Java that there is partly there's never been a Kurdistan history there has never been a spirit of civilization in history except for if you count the Persian one it's certainly not in the region I mean they claim that they originate from the median Empire but the center of the means was actually like north east of Iran nothing to do with the Levant nothing to do with cymatics speaking lands so this whole idea of them being victims is completely bogus and then creative state in this area is also bogus because they're not a majority in the lands that they're claiming they're their plurality in some regions only and finally you know these groups that Trump is supporting are Marxist groups that are linked to the PKK which the US has designated a terrorist organization and it's interesting because this is exactly how Israel started Israel started as a very strong links to communism that's why the Soviet Union was one of the first countries to officially identify Israel to legitimize it at the UN because they started with this selling the world this idea that they were going to create a democratic state for all inhabitants it's not gonna be an ethnos state they're not trying to steal people's land they just want communism and democracy it's exactly how the Kurdish groups are selling Kurdistan to these sjw's and anti furs and idiots from in the West while at the same time working with Empire at the same time Israel were the British Empire the same way that the Kurds are working with the US Empire it's it's completely like I can't understand how they can stand the cognitive dissonance of their existence in this state and yeah that's what Syria is up against and it's very important to get that information out to the West because you know the victim card that the Kurds are playing is the same one that Israelis played and it's interesting these nomadic groups that like Israelis the Jews were nomads too that when all over the world they they have to create this fake history in order to steal other people's land and it always somehow happens to be deliverance but it suffers from that yeah I found it bizarre I think there was actually a tweet you did that i retweeted but it was all of these anti fuh revolutionary Marxist and and so on agreeing with Donald Trump about the necessity of a Kurdish homeland I just remember seeing this and just saying why like where is this coming from because states are only okay when certain groups say it's okay right yeah and then and then also the the Kurds just seem like another agent of chaos you're gonna we're gonna have some other new state let that we're gonna have to go in there and create it's going to be inherently weak and and and you know in the shadow of the the American Empire etc it's just it's just bizarre okay Craig do you want to say something or should I go to another super chest well why don't we why don't we let me expand another thing that I know she wanted to talk about you were just talking about the issue of ethnos States and me I know you wanted to talk a little bit about the issue of statehood and also just the fact the reality of people in the Middle East who were stateless and just the idea of stateless people overall I think this is something that Europeans you know should think about as we kind of accelerate towards something that we don't really understand and we're coming out of a very long period where we have taken for granted for a long time that we are supported by nation states that have our interests at heart that's becoming harder for us to see you know for our own part and it's not clear where things are headed so there's a whole there's a whole reality and historical experience of people who you know exists without without the nation-state and so I'm interested to get your perspective on that I think it's fine to exist without one if you know if you have rights where you are I know there is gypsies in Europe that are basically have a very long nomadic identity but I think it's it's not okay for for example for the Gypsy Roman people they don't really respect borders because there are nomadic people the same way that Kurds don't respect borders but it's one thing to not respect other people's borders and then suddenly decide that you only respect your own the one that had drawn up and and it's also another thing to have those borders cutting into other people's land which you have no history so I also find it interesting that you know when when you have stateless people that have no history of a state you can see that their maps are oftentimes not the same like this you I can go on into now internet now and find a hundred different Kurdistan's one is east of the Euphrates one is like going all the way into Aleppo and you know taking over the city of Aleppo and going into and takia take to the ocean so at the same time it's interesting but I actually also found multiple maps of Israel you know back in the day when they were still drawing up those borders part they had it including Jordan you know they had different shapes because you know there's no you know this is there's no promise there's nothing really to hold on to to create this so I I don't know what else I could add on that so I'll just go to you guys well it is interesting because as I'll just return to what Craig was saying where most Europeans have a state I mean I it's hard for me to name a kind of nomadic stateless European people we are settled and so we we take that for granted we don't really think about what that would be like and I think it's it's also in a way harder for us to understand the the kind of coming reality because I mean one one of the certain like baked in the cake futures for white people in the in the United States is to increasingly become a minority and become a minority probably by 2040 and I think we don't we don't have this historical consciousness and we don't really know how to deal with it but you know I I don't even have an answer to I've been talking for a long time about how we need to really start changing our mindset but but I I certainly don't have an answer for this this question because it is going to be new well actually I think for Kurds the answer is to get citizenship in the states that they are in so for example Kurds in Syria there was a census that denied Kurds in that gave some Kurds Syrian citizenship at denied other current Syrian citizenship because they didn't they showed before that before 1948 they had to have some paperwork inside the country and anything that anyone that doesn't have paperwork obviously they came in from Turkey the problem is there was a lot of Turkish Kurds coming into Syria as refugees and Syria always has a policy that they don't give citizenship to to refugees refugees can stay in Syria for as long as they like but doesn't mean they're entitled to citizenship because citizenship is only granted by like bloodlines and so even though we have had you know refugees that have lived there for 10 20 years they still don't get citizenship so but I said actually made an exception for steak has Kurds and then he granted them citizenship because it sucks to be stateless right problem is that they they themselves don't identify as Syrian and that is true of Iraqi Kurds and Turkish Kurds to some extent if they support these separatist groups and I do find it's really hypocritical of these left wing and tifa's to you know they're there they hate racism in Europe they hate ethno States in Europe but suddenly when it comes to Middle East suddenly nation-states and you know race we've got to give these people a country in a nation it's become something that they would die for oh yeah yeah I mean you see it among liberals who support Jewish nationalism but would be horrified by nationalism Europe in the United States etc it is interesting cognitive dissonance alright there's another superjet here for $20 from long donar Mary Smith and I think this will this can actually get us on to a new topic so we might give people quit flash by flowing over into South America but Mary Smith for 1924 speaking of hyper-religious lunatics being in power how concerned are each of you that john bolton will prevent the u.s. from completely withdrawing its military from syria i want to talk about john bolton I thought he but do you think that do you think that that is in the cards that the United States would withdraw from Syria by John Folse Oh certainly john bolton and not just him like the rest of the neocons willed pressure trump to remain in syria even though i mean he probably the the pressure that is gonna get the most from is from the Zionist lobby and his son-in-law Kushner who's best friends with Netanyahu and sleeps in his bed so the u.s. is gonna try to stay in Syria as long as possible the only thing that will lead them to withdraw is that the situation becomes more difficult if you read I'm sure you guys haven't even heard about this because it was so minimal but American soldier was killed lasts a couple of weeks ago by Turkey because turkey was bombing the PKK or the YPG in Syria which the u.s. agrees is a terrorist organization and happened to kill an American who was hanging out with them and her dough can actually warned the u.s. that this in a phone call he warned trump that this is gonna happen that was the point that Trump decided to withdraw because if the US and and Turkey start clashing that's the end of NATO because turkey is the sword of NATO there is no Nathan without Turkey so I Syria doesn't want to go directly in a fight with the u.s. rather I think Syria is biding its time and hoping that Turkey is the thing that pressures the u.s. to leave and once the u.s. leaves Syria will tell the Kurdish groups you either come back and rely on the nation states to protect you or are you gonna get slaughtered by Turkey which is exactly what happened in Afrin and that's the game that Syria is hoping to - winner so with regarding to Bolton how does the failed coup and Venezuela fit into this puzzle or does it is it merely a matter of these neo-cons like Bolton never seeing a war that they didn't want to fight is it merely a matter of a similar interest in the sense of Venezuela having the largest oil reserves in the world that's something what many people forget or is it is it is it also connected to the the kind of chaos strategy and in the Middle East as well controlling the energy resources is always a factor it's a factor in the Golan Heights in Iraq of course Venezuela it's not about just having oil because the US is one of the biggest oil suppliers in the world it's about controlling supply and demand right so there's definitely that and they talk to down because he nationalized the oil fields but also there is the Israel aspect of it because if you noticed in Brazil the Prime Minister that they replaced the previous guy with think the previous guy was Syrian in fact I'm not exactly sure what the guy or him yes he's because we have a big Syrian and Lebanese population in South America that rose to the top in business and politics but yeah so both scenario I think his name is is very Zionist he went you put on the whole thing in wield at the wall I think they want to create the same thing in Venezuela Guido has expressed support for Israel and wanting to do the same thing where is the current Venezuelan leadership in Maduro and Chavez was always not they haven't they still have an alliance with Israel they haven't withdrawn identifying it as legit or not yet but they have had like they've they voted against them constantly at the UN antagonistic relationship with them Venezuela Syria Iran and North Korea have an alliance North Korea is against Israel North Korea doesn't acknowledge the existence of the State of Israel the thing is when people say left or right it's this very silly dichotomy because if you look at North Korea it's actually a very hard core hegemonic fascist Nationalist state and if you look at what the Maduro is trying to do he's trying to nationalize resources which is a nationalist thing which is considered right-wing not left-wing you know so it's it's a false dichotomy the the sanctions on Venezuela is not helping their economy the reason that why people are starving cetera is because you know they they don't want their system to succeed they do they don't want nationalizing the resources to succeed and it's it's because you know they they see that Venezuela is a threat to Israel I think there is a factor that that not many people have played up which is that Guido would be just another one of these kosher ethno nationalists and he would be you know right-wing populist at home but he would be staunchly pro-israel abroad and that the Zionists don't don't quite trust someone like Maduro even if he's not you know directly attacking them or anything like that he's just that that type of person is someone that they they would not they don't want to deal with and I think this is actually a sad thing from the standpoint of Craig and myself is that Israel does like dealing with these right-wing populist types bolson are Oh Trump you know III think so many of us who supported Trump kind of tried to overlook a lot of these things and and and for good reason to some extent because Trump was saying things about you know why don't we work with Assad why don't we work with Putin isn't that better than going to war with them he said so many sensible things that I I think our our enthusiasm was is just was justified but but it's it's also something that we need to confront which is that Israel might actually like these right-wing populists who you know are brash and vulgar and and and and kind of appeal to that angst and in a lot of societies but are basically not only not going to change the status quo but but but are gonna intensify the status quo as Trump is done you know I'll double down on that you know the it's just a pointing I see a lot of people I mean you know as as Richard mentioned were we've been guilty of it too but I think you know by this point and it you know it's the writing on is on the wall it's clear you know these the system only ever engages this kind of right-wing populism is sort of a a cheap Valentine to buy you know people broadly like us off but you know I see people you know continuing to give for example bolson ro energy because he talks and right-wing populist terms and that's appealing to some people but you know where is it really going it's not you know that that energy only really ever ends up in Israel's accounts you know it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't accrue to us it doesn't benefit us and you know it may it may take longer than our lifetimes but I do think we need to begin some sort of discourse that is not organized around some of the you know very sort of maybe maybe satisfying sort of you know right wing talking points that we we may have engaged in the past mm-hmm and just the Breitbart effect I mean there there was an interesting thing in 2016 where Breitbart was getting energized by the alt-right the alt-right was getting energized by Breitbart and we were kind of an alliance and that that broke apart and over the course of 2017 but you know it's interesting we probably should have been more cautious and more ethical we just got caught up in it all which is that's human human all too human tendency but yeah the the fact that Breitbart was literally founded in Israel I mean that you you can't get away from it and we can't pretend that these things aren't important as well I think yeah I mean I'll forgive us a little bit more in the sense that and then you know we'll all will get away from me on the mic but I think it was hard to it was really hard to accept that things were that broken you know for example voting the voting button was that broken and that we were really that that Justin disenfranchised yeah yes sure yeah I mean it's it's it's just the reality and yeah as far as far as Breitbart I think there's a picture that was taken at their founding meeting where you know that not Netanyahu was in the room with Andrew Breitbart and all the other people maybe if we get time you know before the stream ends we can we can talk a little bit about Ben Shapiro who who had a rave performance recently but yeah I'll allow us to move ahead and maybe some super chats or something yeah we can jump in on that that's kind of funny I talked a little bit about this yesterday on on Jays program but did Mimi did you see Ben Shapiro few seconds of it but he did octa journalist because I tried to get into a debate with him as though like it was very funny yeah he's great he is very childish that that is the best he's like a prodigy child he's like a he's like a twelve-year-old who can solve Rubik's cubes or something yeah he's not like he like I don't doubt that he has a high IQ or something I think in a way Ben Shapiro is like a expression of why IQ is a really limited sphere of understanding someone's intelligence like he he likes these little rational arguments that he can get into and he likes btf owing you know a 20 year old with blue hair at Cal Berkeley or something about the joys of capitalism or something but he would never have a serious discussion I don't think at all no they talk if they say that thing was ben shapiro getting owns but he owns himself and he reveals how little interested he is an actual serious discussion you know the most disingenuous comment that he made during the course of that thing was you know the interviewer remarks well you know you say you're trying to elevate the discourse and get away from these you know from from kind of hate discussion and rage discussion but you know they're all these they're all these videos of you on youtube that are you know emphasizing how you own this or that person and shapiro immediately said oh you know well i can't help what people label things on youtube well shapiro definitely coordinates his activity with young Americans for freedom who puts up videos like that all the time they are always marketing their stuff on the basis of how you know ben shapiro rhetorically rhetorically beat the crap out of some kid with braces yeah and you know explain to him that you know communism check communism killed a lot of people or something you know and so yeah the whole thing was the whole thing was very very revealing you know is one thing that i I mentioned on Jay s program as well is is that the the lack of seriousness with ben shapiro about his own commitments you know i think everyone in this discussion is willing to talk about our irrational or pre rational emotional commitments to things you know like me me me comes from somewhere she comes from syria she has a rooted interest in something she's has a perspective on the world and it's funny how ben shapiro whenever you bring up Zionism or or or in this case the the pro-life the abortion question he's like well it's just science you know you know you know liberal you know pure classical liberalism demands that we become Zionists or whatever ya know yeah it's it's science and its principles he was he was talking about principles a lot during during that interview yeah anyway okay for the right you the left hub gatekeepers like Noam Chomsky and Nancy Pelosi and was that guy that's running for president the older one I forget his name Oh Bernie said snick snick in the Sun Sanders Oh interesting you know Sanders is a I mean Sanders is Jewish and he is a Zionist he's he's also can he's also connected we can talk about this is interesting cuz because I of all the candidates out there I have some sympathies for Tulsi Gabbard who I assume you you appreciate and and Bernie Sanders and Andrew yang who's kind of you know offering these totally new things and and I don't I don't I I don't I can't imagine that yang would continue the foreign policy regime if he if in the unlikely event he were like well Never Say Never but well look I know but you know I I don't want to give up all hope and buy down in the cyanide capsule but I yeah in terms of Sanders he is aligned with the kind of new wave in the American left of of aoc of Elan Omar and so on and I cannot and maybe I'm wrong please correct me if I'm wrong I can't imagine that they would be hyper Zionists at any point I think that even if a OSI doesn't quite talk about it or focus on this issue her own instincts are going to be to sympathize with Palestinians and question the status quo in ill on Omar's is obviously doing that explicitly and maybe Bernie Sanders is this kind of old line you know the secular socialist Jew who is pro Zionist it is kind of connected with them but maybe he can't control these new powers that that he's he's trying to manage so anyway correct anything that I said there that was wrong but that that's how I view view that the wave amongst the youth is more pro-palestinian and they had to bring out something new to try to control that wave and Bernie's not gonna do the trick because he's the others you're a journalist asked him like what why do you why do you have a problem with a one state solution where Palestinians are treated as equal citizens and his answer was because that would be the end of Israel and I support the existence of the Jewish state so he does he wants to deny people you know their humanity because he supports the Jewish state that's very out in the open but in my view in hand Omar is a Zionist because she supports Lucian yes she but she said it herself Jews have a right to feel safe in their own state and so do Palestinians to me this is ioan ism because you believe in a Jewish state the same way that Mohabbatein is the belief in the Islamic state in Syria because that's all that Israel is ever gonna be in in the van't it's gonna be a racist state that doesn't belong there sorry to say and the only way it can is by accepting secularism which would be the end of the idea of a Jewish state that is why how I see her no more cheese the cheese the Democrat Party innocence and I think for her you know they found her she's a Black Muslim woman ticks all the boxes loves America loves immigration you know she is the archetype and that thing that she said about a pack that was like oh what have we done we chose the wrong with the job but let's try to fix it so they really did you know try to fix it by saying no to anti-semitism and notice llama phobia which is gonna be the new wave like you know in the past how Hollywood was always racist towards Arabs and Muslims and portrayed there's terrorists constantly flipped all these wars and folks News was allowed to say whatever they wanted those days are over they're not gonna be allowed to be Islamophobic in that way anymore because the new Alliance is gonna be amongst the victimized Muslims mais Jews because G Muslims are becoming the new Jews of the West like the new victims this is fascinating so so just just to reiterate what you just said because I've never thought of this before you you think that the this new wave of you know post American American politicians like Ellen Omar are going to be Zionist supporters that there there's that to me Ilhan Omar represents the Muslim Brotherhood version plus I've even saying that I feel like I need to self-censor because it's a very risky thing to say I've seen it as a Muslim I mean she's not Muslim Brotherhood herself and not even though she wears a headscarf she's not a very religious person you can tell that she wears a headscarf and she said herself I wear the headscarf as a political statement to be identified as a Muslim not because you know she's personally modest that's her intention when I say Muslim Brotherhood I mean I can see by her politics that they align perfectly with Aragon which can be arguing I don't mean like she's wants Sharia law like all these right-wingers are saying no she's she's she wants a democracy the Muslim Brotherhood is it's actually democratic ironically but within the confines of Islamism so unlike al Qaeda and Isis which have Amir's which can have monarchs and kings anyway that's sorry I digress but I just need to clarify that in the interest of existing on the Internet because yes this is a dangerous topic right now because people will accuse you of Islamophobia obviously I'm a Muslim I have no fear of Ilhan she's not gonna blow anything up or her politics align with Turkey and that's what she's against Assad and that's why as turkey does she accepts the existence of the State of Israel in a two-state solution and he's there to save the two-state solution because before our very eyes the two-state solution is dying people are talking about it everywhere the old guard people like Noam Chomsky and Bernie Sanders who actually were in kibbutz as youths with the resign is used they went to Israel out of these communist kibbutz you know they're they're really under the heat now because people are really questioning them and their allegiance and maybe this fresh blood that's slightly more pro-palestinian can alleviate that steam valve fascinating perspective I'd never thought of these things before well let's let's jump to some more super shots because these these do bring up some very interesting questions Lou Duva how to 250 how would Syrian girl rank the Middle Eastern peoples in terms of worth okay obviously there are a great many so perhaps she can just share her favorites my honest answer okay I think that is your honest answer okay I'm interested in learning more about Syrian culture through its literature which Syrian poets classical contemporary would you recommend at which novelists you rate most highly I wish that I knew more about my own culture and history to be able to answer that better I really truly but the only thing I can recommend which I know which every Syrian knows is a musician and the poetry in her music which is Pharos if you look up Fairuz and you know she's she's part of her brothers are the Rabbani brothers and she sings a lot of poetry about the nation she's very patriotic she's a Lebanese singer but she she sings about Shyam which is like the greater Syria and she's the most popular singer in Syria and Lebanon maybe most famous one in internationally as well I really highly recommend her I apologize that it's you know I don't have a better answer for you with more are you interested in Western literature or philosophy and things like that more just because you're you're an immigrant and you're you you have laid down new roots you know I do I mean my English is probably better than my Arabic to be honest with you but I do I am interested in Nietzsche I am interested in philosophy I have avoided reading books because in that sense like I've avoided reading Karl Marx for example because I want to come up with my own without being tainted by somebody else's opinion hmm so that's my excuse for not for being lazy right we're all tainted we're all we're all can deal wares and ideas that's married yeah okay all right this is Lou Duva is coming up just this morning okay he keeps donating separately I appreciate that what do you two beautiful people know about the Madagascar plan and this is the sort of thing that should we should be getting behind okay the Madagascar might be other Madagascar plans them the most famous one was a policy in Nazi Germany during the war that was rejected of moving Jews to Madagascar so it'd be moving them to this small island there's actually an interesting there there is a kind of Jewish state and where is that is that it and this is a stop in it was in a Siberia or something it was Stalin created this so maybe this is kind of maybe I'll ask this in a different way Shh should there be a Jewish state or what what can be done with the Jews like what where should they be what what is answer I mean you vet you've actually kind of changed my mind about the two-state solution during this broadcast to be honest but how should we think about the this question I well okay first of all I know about Madagascar plan I know about the transfer solution or agreement and there was they were trying to create a state in Australia in the in Texas I believe in Russia they were given one there was two movements around that time it was the Zionist movement and there was the jewish nationalist movement the two movements were actually against each other in the sense that the Zionist movement didn't want to go anywhere about Palestine and in fact that the leaders of Zionist movement said that one can get one cow into Palestine that would be better than all that's worth more than all the Jews in Europe actual words and they also one guy was angry because people were giving aid to Jews in Europe because they thought that they were not helping because he wanted Jews to immigrate to Palestine right the Zionists movement is different to the jewish nationalist movement in that it's basis is religious there is a messianic religious thing there and it transmits to the evangelicals as well and maybe that's why one over nationalist thing i don't like the idea of a Jewish state in Madagascar because are there already people in Madagascar like why would I wish someone on to someone else what has happened to ourselves it doesn't that's not the right thing to do if there's a piece of empty land you know which some countries can willingly with everybody in the country voting for to give up that piece of land you know and nobody gets hurt maybe theoretically that would be okay but the premise of it I have a problem with because as a Syrian person and Europe's the story of Europe is different I can't speak for you guys but Sirians before Zionism we didn't have a problem with our Jews we our Jews were part of Syrian society they were Syrian they they felt like their history was there for a very long time Zionism changed that and changed that for Iraqi Jews it didn't quite change that for Iranian Jews though because I think the Iranian Jews were a little bit more removed from the situation but like you know I don't I think that Jews can be loyal to the country which they live in this is something that is people gonna not agree with especially on the right I think it's it's possible I mean this happened before I mean it's happened in Syria it's it's happened in Finland like they were Jewish people that joined the Finnish army and fought alongside the Germans in World War two I think that there there is a way and there's a there's a lot of impedances to that there's a lot of things in the way especially maybe in the way that Torah is interpreted because in order for them to be a chosen people by God in the first place they have to be a people to be a people they can't be the race of the land-living even though technically they pretty much are most of them anyway they 23andme can identify Ashkenazi's which aren't from the Caucasus actually they found the cities of Ashkenazi in those areas and they moved into you know East Europe and Germany and lived there for thousands of years so obviously ethnic makeup changed but they were never really connected to the Mediterranean because the judah's Jews from Syria that don't have Ashkenazi blood and it found that Jews Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews there they there exactly they can't tell them apart from the people that are around them and I think that this phase of Zionism is very similar maybe worse because there's more history of it but similar to people who put Islam before their country like the Wahabis like a Syrian who joined Isis for example what is he but is another version of Israel like a Muslim Zionist you could say who doesn't care about his own ethnicity over his own people who places a religion above that you know I for me a Syrian Christian I feel I have more in common with than a Muslim in Indonesia for example because we live like we're finally we have blood ties we have this shared future but sometimes religion when it gets in the way of that and it's not just for the Jews it's it's for other religions too for the Jews it's more difficult because of the whole chosen thing to get over but right I hope at least that it will be possible yeah we'll see even even to the idea that they count yeah even among liberal Jews that that meme seems to be embedded of needing to heal the world and so on and having a special place and this answer and and and certainly the the kind of obsession with anti-semitism as a binding agent is present okay Lou Duva is basically going out of control at this point but we'll read it okay this is directed at you I hope as a woman gifted with sumptuous full lips how do you feel about the increasing tendency for her evolutionary inferiors mere thin lipped thoughts to falsely advertise their genetic fitness via lip fillers and other surgical treatments alright this is the end of the show [Laughter] I'm really annoyed by it because yeah as a result I just happen to have been born in this era means that everybody is constantly accusing me of enhancing my lips which is really annoying because first of all it's not true but second of all like it kind of undermines use in as a serious person in a way it does that's how it is and so it annoys me that I live in this era just so happens I was born this way and I get hit with that it has a positive because now it's popular to look like this but at the same time you're constantly accused of being fake sometimes people on the street walk up to walk I've walked up to me and asked me if it is annoying but at the same time I feel that like thin lips can be beautiful and it's a shame that sure people are not realizing that and going for something that looks completely ugly in many ways so I have a selfish reason to dislike it but also an aesthetic reason this is like it I am I I don't know it does kind of worried me a lot of these you know branded East celebs who work have a lot of plastic surgery like Tommy Lauren Laura Loomer faith Goldie they they just like it's I'm not accusing them of anything it's just facts yeah yeah their pictures out there I understand kind of I don't know it just kind of bothers me a little bit as just you you need to be who you are well this is actually where we're gonna have to go to stay on these platforms because this is basically this is basically what a lot of the content around things like YouTube is organized lip filling channels makeup tutorials oh my god I'm leaving hard I'm working hard on the mpi rebrands the most horrifying thing have you seen these Instagram they are like makeup tutorials gone into totally hellish directions where I want you yeah and you'll have women that will look like like almost this is it's a kind of Asian thing my girlfriend always shows these to me and I get horrified but there'll be women that will look like geishas like this like enlarged eyes and nose and things like that and then they'll take off their makeup and they're just monstrous it it's like makeup technology and YouTube has advanced to this point we're just average people our dissembling and you can't you don't know who they are and the ability for you know people to be tricked it really does bother me I don't know you should regulate this it's fun to create I'm not against creating art in a sense like for a firm for fun for it's just something a curiosity but when people begin to live it and in at times it's not aesthetic it's grotesque and in some ways damaging then I have a problem with it I think if someone has a disfigurement or you know they're really upset about maybe Jing and they they they want to do something about it I don't really see a problem with that but when when people are making themselves the word like you know plastic Sur nobody has a problem with good plastic surgery it's only the bad plastic when it's a little yeah that's okay right why would I choose this face I would choose a different face no but um yeah someone said I she must have done her nose why would I choose this no I would choose a different nose but I think but I do think that in the future let's say I get into a car accident am I gonna will i shun plastic surgery no if I become really aged who knows how I would feel about that so I'm not gonna like judge people that harshly but I do think that should step back and be because it's very it's very easy to go overboard and it's very easy to - especially when you engage in it when you're young and all of your validation comes from doing this and putting content out based around it so how do you get how do you get more clicks how do you get more donations you do a you know a better you know a Wilder immuno makeup video than you did before you you get a bigger at lip injection yeah people getting old yeah I I agree I think the age it's it's not just about keeping up appearances or something like that it's about fundamentally changing you in your 20s or something like that it is okay we are almost done let me just quickly we people did donate so I want to get at him okay real quick okay Lou Duva okay Lou Duva is donate on dick any future ethno state that would permit entry to the Irish while denying it - girls - this girl is not an ethnos state of which I would want to be a part come at me bro okay I think he's joking but yes I I would look partisan girl you you combined elegance beauty and intelligence like perhaps no one else so it is a real pleasure to have you on I mean that sincerely and I appreciate the discussion so yeah I would say this rarely do I go into a panel where I kind of rethink things in my own head doo dodoo to what the other person has said usually I'm just not listening and talking at people and narcissistic narcissistically indulging in my own greatness but in this one case I've actually rethought some of them some of the way a lot of things actually about about these questions I look forward to your conclusions at the end of those thoughts like if you you know let me know decide because I don't always accept that my point of view is correct so just ting ting get your your feedback or not right all right well why don't we do this we we have there there are like two little orphans super chats we'll just handle those next week because we definitely want to read everyone's but I think now we usually try to keep these to two hours so we don't go out of control and I think this discussion was so great that I think it's a it's good just to put a bookmark in it and have our audience wanting more so thank you me me partisan girl for being on we'd love to have you back and you really made this a unique show so we we appreciate it and thank you to Kaiser our our producer and as always thank you Craig my friend and colleague so I do you want to take us out Craig sure you know I think actually we should consider doing something like this again in the future with Syrian girl because you're right there were some things that we got a genuinely fresh perspective on that I think that we could kind of take even further so thanks everyone and thanks Mimi and we'll see you guys back here next week yeah bye bye bye bye
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